Tax Facts Hardly Anyone Knows
There’s a burden to bear, and it’s the regular people who are bearing it, while the rich and corporations sit firmly on their wealth.
Thursday, April 14, 2011
For three decades we have conducted a massive economic experiment, testing a theory known as supply-side economics. The theory goes like this: Lower tax rates will encourage more investment, which in turn will mean more jobs and greater prosperity – so much so that tax revenues will go up, despite lower rates. The late Milton Friedman, the libertarian economist who wanted to shut down public parks because he considered them socialism, promoted this strategy. Ronald Reagan embraced Friedman’s ideas and made them into policy when he was elected president in 1980.
For the past decade, we have doubled down on this theory of supply-side economics with the tax cuts sponsored by President George W. Bush in 2001 and 2003, which President Obama has agreed to continue for two years.
In 2008, the average income for the bottom half of taxpayers was $15,300. Millions of the poor do not make enough to owe income taxes, but pay federal payroll taxes, gas taxes, sales taxes, utility taxes and other taxes.
You would think that whether this grand experiment worked would be settled after three decades. You would think the practitioners of the dismal science of economics would look at their demand curves and the data on incomes and taxes and pronounce a verdict, the way Galileo and Copernicus did when they showed that geocentrism was a fantasy because Earth revolves around the sun (known as heliocentrism). But economics is not like that. It is not like physics with its laws and arithmetic with its absolute values.
Tax policy is something the Framers left to politics. And in politics, the facts often matter less than who has the biggest bullhorn.
The Mad Men who once ran campaigns featuring doctors extolling the health benefits of smoking are now busy marketing the dogma that tax cuts mean broad prosperity, no matter what the facts show.
As millions of Americans prepare to file their annual taxes, they do so in an environment of media-perpetuated tax myths. Here are a few points about taxes and the economy that you may not know, to consider as you file your taxes. (All figures are inflation adjusted.)
1. Poor Americans do pay taxes.
Gretchen Carlson, the Fox News host, said last year “47 percent of Americans don’t pay any taxes.” John McCain and Sarah Palin both said similar things during the 2008 campaign about Americans on the bottom half of the economic ladder.
Ari Fleischer, the former Bush White House spokesman, once said, “50 percent of the country gets benefits without paying for them.”
Actually, they pay lots of taxes – just not lots of federal income taxes.
Data from the Tax Foundation shows that in 2008, the average income for the bottom half of taxpayers was $15,300.
This year the first $9,350 of income is exempt from taxes for singles and $18,700 for married couples, just slightly more than in 2008. That means millions of the poor do not make enough to owe income taxes.
But they still pay plenty of other taxes, including federal payroll taxes. Between gas taxes, sales taxes, utility taxes and other taxes. No one lives tax free in America.
When it comes to state and local taxes, the poor bear a heavier burden than the rich in every state except Vermont, the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy calculated from official data. In Alabama, for example, the burden on the poor is more than twice that of the top 1 percent. The one-fifth of Alabama families making less than $13,000 pay almost 11 percent of their income in state and local taxes, compared with less than 4 percent for those who make $229,000 or more.
2. The wealthiest Americans don’t carry the burden.
This is one of those oft-used canards. Sen. Rand Paul, the tea party favorite from Kentucky, told David Letterman recently that “the wealthy do pay most of the taxes in this country.”
The Internet is awash with statements that the top 1 percent pays, depending on the year, 38 percent or more than 40 percent of taxes.
It’s true that the top 1 percent of wage earners paid 38 percent of the federal income taxes in 2008 (the most recent year for which data is available). But people forget that the income tax is less than half of federal taxes and only one-fifth of taxes at all levels of government.
The top 1 percent of wage earners paid 38 percent of the federal income in 2008. But the income tax is less than half of federal taxes and one-fifth of taxes at all levels of government.
Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance taxes (known as payroll taxes) are paid mostly by the bottom 90 percent of wage earners. That’s because, once you reach $106,800 of income, you pay no more for Social Security, though the much smaller Medicare tax applies to all wages. Warren Buffett pays the exact same amount of Social Security taxes as someone who earns $106,800.
3. In fact, the wealthy are paying less taxes.
The Internal Revenue Service issues an annual report on the 400 highest income tax payers. In 1961, there were 398 taxpayers who made $1 million or more, so I compared their income tax burdens from that year to 2007.
Despite skyrocketing incomes, the federal tax burden on the richest 400 has been slashed, thanks to a variety of loopholes, allowable deductions and other tools. The actual share of their income paid in taxes, according to the IRS, is 16.6 percent. Adding payroll taxes barely nudges that number.
Compare that to the vast majority of Americans, whose share of their income going to federal taxes increased from 13.1 percent in 1961 to 22.5 percent in 2007.
(By the way, during seven of the eight Bush years, the IRS report on the top 400 taxpayers was labeled a state secret, a policy that the Obama overturned almost instantly after his inauguration.)
4. Many of the very richest pay no current income taxes at all.
John Paulson, the most successful hedge fund manager of all, bet against the mortgage market one year and then bet with Glenn Beck in the gold market the next. Paulson made himself $9 billion in fees in just two years. His current tax bill on that $9 billion? Zero.
Congress lets hedge fund managers earn all they can now and pay their taxes years from now.
In 2007, Congress debated whether hedge fund managers should pay the top tax rate that applies to wages, bonuses and other compensation for their labors, which is 35 percent. That tax rate starts at about $300,000 of taxable income; not even pocket change to Paulson, but almost 12 years of gross pay to the median-wage worker.
The Republicans and a key Democrat, Sen. Charles Schumer of New York, fought to keep the tax rate on hedge fund managers at 15 percent, arguing that the profits from hedge funds should be considered capital gains, not ordinary income, which got a lot of attention in the news.
What the news media missed is that hedge fund managers don’t even pay 15 percent. At least, not currently. So long as they leave their money, known as “carried interest,” in the hedge fund, their taxes are deferred. They pay taxes only when they cash out, which could be decades from now for younger managers. How do these hedge fund managers get money in the meantime? By borrowing against the carried interest, often at absurdly low rates – currently about 2 percent.
Lots of other people live tax-free, too. I have Donald Trump’s tax records for four years early in his career. He paid no taxes for two of those years. Big real estate investors enjoy tax-free living under a 1993 law President Clinton signed. It lets “professional” real estate investors use paper losses like depreciation on their buildings against any cash income, even if they end up with negative incomes like Trump.
The federal tax burden on the 400 highest income tax payers has been slashed, and their actual share of their income, paid in taxes, according to the IRS, is 16.6 percent. The vast majority of Americans saw their share of federal taxes increase to 22.5 percent in 2007.
Frank and Jamie McCourt, who own the Los Angeles Dodgers, have not paid any income taxes since at least 2004, their divorce case revealed. Yet they spent $45 million one year alone. How? They just borrowed against Dodger ticket revenue and other assets. To the IRS, they look like paupers.
In Wisconsin, Terrence Wall, who unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for U.S. Senate in 2010, paid no income taxes on as much as $14 million of recent income, his disclosure forms showed. Asked about his living tax-free while working people pay taxes, he had a simple response: everyone should pay less.
5. And (surprise!) since Reagan, only the wealthy have gained significant income.
The Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute and similar conservative marketing organizations tell us relentlessly that lower tax rates will make us all better off.
“When tax rates are reduced, the economy’s growth rate improves and living standards increase,” according to Daniel J. Mitchell, an economist at Heritage until he joined Cato. He says that supply-side economics is “the simple notion that lower tax rates will boost work, saving, investment and entrepreneurship.”
When Reagan was elected president, the marginal tax rate for income was 70 percent. He cut it to 50 percent and then 28 percent starting in 1987. It was raised by George H.W. Bush and Clinton and then cut by George W. Bush. The top rate is now 35 percent.
Since 1980, when President Reagan won the election promising prosperity through tax cuts, the average income of the vast majority – the bottom 90 percent of Americans – has increased a meager $303, or 1 percent. Put another way, for each dollar people in the vast majority made in 1980, in 2008 their income was up to $1.01.
Those at the top did better. The top 1 percent’s average income more than doubled to $1.1 million, according to an analysis of tax data by economists Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez. The really rich, the top 10th of 1 percent, each enjoyed almost $4 in 2008 for each dollar in 1980.
The top 300,000 Americans now collectively enjoy almost as much income as the bottom 150 million, the data show.
6. When it comes to corporations, the story is much the same – less taxes.
Corporate profits in 2008, the latest year for which data is available, were $1.83 billion, up almost 12 percent from $1.63 billion in 2000. Yet, even though corporate tax rates have not been cut, corporate income tax revenues fell to $230 billion from $249 billion – an 8 percent decline, thanks to a number of loopholes. The official 2010 profit numbers are not added up and released by the government, but the amount paid in corporate taxes is: In 2010 they fell further, to $191 billion – a decline of more than 23 percent compared with 2000.
7. Some corporate tax breaks destroy jobs.
Despite all the noise that America has the world’s second highest corporate tax rate, the actual taxes paid by corporations are falling because of the growing number of loopholes and companies shifting profits to tax havens like the Cayman Islands.
And right now America’s corporations are sitting on close to $2 trillion in cash that is not being used to build factories, create jobs or anything else, but act as an insurance policy for managers unwilling to take the risk of actually building the businesses they are paid so well to run. That cash hoard, by the way, works out to nearly $13,000 per taxpaying household.
A corporate tax rate that is too low actually destroys jobs. That’s because a higher tax rate encourages businesses (that don’t want to pay taxes) to keep the profits in the business and reinvest, rather than pull them out as profits and have to pay high taxes.
The top 300,000 Americans now collectively enjoy almost as much income as the bottom 150 million.
The 2004 American Jobs Creation Act, which passed with bipartisan support, allowed more than 800 companies to bring profits that were untaxed but overseas back to the United States. Instead of paying the usual 35 percent tax, the companies paid just 5.25 percent.
The companies said bringing the money home – “repatriating” it, they called it – would mean lots of jobs. Sen. John Ensign, the Nevada Republican, put the figure at 660,000 new jobs.
Pfizer, the drug company, was the biggest beneficiary. It brought home $37 billion, saving $11 billion in taxes. Almost immediately it started firing people. Since the law took effect, it has let go 40,000 workers. In all, it appears that at least 100,000 jobs were destroyed.
Now Congressional Republicans and some Democrats are gearing up again to pass another tax holiday, promoting a new Jobs Creation Act. It would affect 10 times as much money as the 2004 law.
8. Republicans like taxes too.
President Reagan signed into law 11 tax increases, targeted at people down the income ladder. His administration and the Washington press corps called the increases “revenue enhancers.” Among other things, Reagan hiked Social Security taxes so high that the government has collected more than $2 trillion in surplus tax since 2008.
George W. Bush signed a tax increase, too, in 2006, despite his written ironclad pledge to never raise taxes on anyone. It raised taxes on teenagers by requiring kids up to age 17, who earned money, to pay taxes at their parents’ tax rate, which would almost always be higher than the rate they would otherwise pay. It was a story that ran buried inside the New York Times one Sunday, but nowhere else.
In fact, thanks to Republicans, one in three Americans will pay higher taxes this year than they did last year.
First, some history. In 2009, President Obama pushed his own tax cut – for the working class. He persuaded Congress to enact the Making Work Pay Tax Credit. Over the two years 2009 and 2010, it saved single workers up to $800 and married heterosexual couples up to $1,600, even if only one spouse worked. The top 5 percent or so of taxpayers were denied this tax break.
The Obama administration called it “the biggest middle-class tax cut” ever. Yet last December the Republicans, poised to regain control of the House of Representatives, killed Obama’s Making Work Pay Credit while extending the Bush tax cuts for two more years – a policy Obama agreed to.
By doing so, Congressional Republican leaders increased taxes on a third of Americans, virtually all of them the working poor, this year.
Since 1980, the average income of the vast majority – the bottom 90 percent of Americans – has increased a meager $303. The top 1 percent’s average income more than doubled to $1.1 million.
As a result, of the 155 million households in the tax system, 51 million will pay an average of $129 more this year. That is $6.6 billion in higher taxes for the working poor, the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center estimated.
In addition, the Republicans changed the rate of workers’ FICA contributions, which finances half of Social Security. The result: If you are single and make less than $20,000, or married and less than $40,000, you lose under this plan.
But the top 5 percent, people who make more than $106,800, will save $2,136 ($4,272 for two-career couples).
9. Other countries do it better.
We measure our economic progress, and our elected leaders debate tax policy, in terms of a crude measure known as gross domestic product. The way the official statistics are put together, each dollar spent buying solar energy equipment counts the same as each dollar spent investigating murders.
We do not give any measure of value to time spent rearing children or growing our own vegetables or to time off for leisure and community service.
And we do not measure the economic damage done by shocks, such as losing a job, which means not only loss of income and depletion of savings, but loss of health insurance, which a Harvard Medical School study found results in 45,000 unnecessary deaths each year.
Compare this to Germany, one of many countries with a smarter tax system and smarter spending policies.
Germans work less, make more per hour and get much better parental leave than Americans, many of whom get no fringe benefits such as health care, pensions or even a retirement savings plan. By many measures the vast majority live better in Germany than in America.
To achieve this, German workers on average pay 52 percent of their income in taxes. Americans average 30 percent, according to the Organizations for Economic Cooperation and Development.
At first blush the German tax burden seems horrendous. But in Germany (as well as Britain, France, Scandinavia, Canada, Australia and Japan), tax-supported institutions provide many of the things Americans pay for with after-tax dollars. Buying wholesale rather than retail saves money.
Corporate profits were up 12 percent, from $1.6 billion in 2007 to $1.8 billion in 2008. But corporate income tax revenues fell to $230 billion from $249 billion, thanks to loopholes.
A proper comparison would take the 30 percent average tax on American workers and add their out-of-pocket spending on health care, college tuition and fees for services, and compare that with taxes that the average German pays. Add it all up and the combination of tax and personal spending is roughly equal in both countries, but with a large risk of catastrophic loss in America, and a tiny risk in Germany.
Americans take on $85 billion of debt each year for higher education, while college is financed by taxes in Germany and tuition is cheap to free in other modern countries. While soaring medical costs are a key reason that since 1980 bankruptcy in America has increased 15 times faster than population growth, no one in Germany or the rest of the modern world goes broke because of accident or illness. And child poverty in America is the highest among modern countries – almost twice the rate in Germany, which is close to the average of modern countries.
On the corporate tax side, the Germans encourage reinvestment at home and the outsourcing of low-value work, like auto assembly, and German rules tightly control accounting so that profits earned at home cannot be made to appear as profits earned in tax havens.
Adopting the German system is not the answer for America. But crafting a tax system that benefits the vast majority, reduces risks, provides universal health care and focuses on diplomacy rather than militarism abroad (and at home) would be a lot smarter than what we have now.
Here is a question to ask yourself: We started down this road with Reagan’s election in 1980 and upped the ante in this century with George W. Bush.
How long does it take to conclude that a policy has failed to fulfill its promises? And as you think about that, keep in mind George Washington. When he fell ill his doctors followed the common wisdom of the era. They cut him and bled him to remove bad blood. As Washington’s condition grew worse, they bled him more. And like the mantra of tax cuts for the rich, they kept applying the same treatment until they killed him.
Luckily we don’t bleed the sick anymore, but we are bleeding our government to death.
Former New York Times reporter David Cay Johnston won the 2001 Pulitzer Prize for beat reporting for his coverage of the U.S. tax code; his reporting helped shut down many tax dodges and schemes, two of them valued by Congress at $260 billion. He is the author of three books, including the upcoming The Fine Print, which reveals how big business, with help from politicians, abuses plain English to rob you blind. He teaches the tax, property and regulatory law of the ancient world at Syracuse University College of Law and Whitman School of Management.





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Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this: The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing. The fifth would pay $1. The sixth would pay $3. The seventh would pay $7. The eighth would pay $12. The ninth would pay $18. The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59. So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20." Drinks for the ten now cost just $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay. And so: The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings). The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings). The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings). The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings). The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings). The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings). Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man," but he got $10!" "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!" "That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!" "Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill! And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
Dear Business Owner, I can hardly believe the faulty logic you are proposing in your beer story. I wish you well in your new country, I hear Somalia is warm and has a great business climate, ships pass right by and you can take what you want, tax free. Or maybe Russia, France. Enjoy your new homeland and currency. I'll stick with the USA.
Businessowner's fable assumes: 1) Everyone is drinking from the same pitcher of beer. 2) Everyone is drinking the same quality of beer. 3) Everyone is drinking the same amount of beer. 4) The bar owner gives everyone the same level of service. None of these assumptions apply in the real world. Thus the fable is not a good analogy. Nice try, though.
Good article!
@ businessowner Nice analogy, however what you fail to mention in your paragraph is the size of the individual beers enjoyed by the ten men.
Each day:
The first four men received 1 oz servings of beer The fifth received a 2 oz serving The sixth received a 5 oz serving on up to the tenth man who enjoyed 50 oz of beer!
So, not only is the tenth guy appearing to everyone as a total glutton, but also as a prime target for a butt-kicking if an opportunity presents itself!
With the tenth man taking his business to "friendlier atmospheres," It will leave an opening in the top spot for those of us who know the value of buying their less fortunate friends a beer once in a while...
For one thing, It should keep us from getting our butt kicked in the parking lot!
i am certain that none of you have to pay tax for the right to employ people.
i have a small business, but have to pay over $5000 a month in payroll tax . . . that is my share that i pay just to employ people . . . that is not my personal income tax, or my business license tax for each city i do business in, or my LLC tax, or business property tax, or my state mandidated insurance requirements which are also basically taxes.
you all seem to have missed the point in the analogy . . . so i can assume you are one of the 9 ordering beers insisting that the 10th guy pay more . . . well guess what, i am tapped out.
Mr. Johnston does a wonderful job of weaving half truths into a fan so he can fan his hot air on the flames of class warfare. However, the facts are these: during Reagan, Clinton and half of Bush’s term, lower taxes worked, the economy grew at a never before seen rate and people across all economic classes prospered. What’s happening now started in 2007 when the libs took control of both houses of congress. That was the start of unchecked government growth and yeah, the size of government is so big now that the current revenue stream can’t support it.
As Mr. Johnston alluded to, we’re one of the highest taxed societies in the world “. We don’t have a revenue problem -we have a spending problem. Our government is too big and inefficient to work under any kind of taxation. The reason for that is, its growth is self perpetrating- the more inefficiencies and mistakes it makes, the more mistake ridden departments we layer on to oversee the inefficiencies and mistakes ….so, it never really gets better just bigger. Get the size of government back in balance with our GDP and that would be a huge step toward fiscal responsibility.
The other thing that Mr. Johnston fails to talk about, because it would blow his class warfare strategy right out of the water is, U.S. Fiduciary Law. These laws require companies, financial institutions and tax advisers to take advantage of every benefit under our tax codes, banking and securities exchange laws. If they don’t, they can and have been held personally responsible by shareholders. The people that are really at the heart of the problem is our Congress. If you didn’t raise or lower taxes by one penny but cleaned up all the loopholes in our tax code, revenue would grow at a greater rate than any tax increase that would be tolerated by tax payers.
Speaking of what tax payers will tolerate, as Mr. Johnston mentioned, Reagan lowered taxes and revenue grew. Several other things happened too; first, companies started re-investing back into this economy and secondly, dollars that somehow found their way out of the country came back. Companies moved their headquarter back to the U.S. as did many millionaires who moved their primary residency back too (look at Oregon’s example- when they raised taxes on millionaires, their revenue went down, because millionaires have the resources to move where they want.. it’s like killing the goose with the golden eggs).
So for every politician that points their ugly little finger at Millionaires and Wall Street as the root of all our problems, there are three fingers pointing back at them and rightfully so.
Wow! who is really telling the half-truths here? Ditto head facts Mr Bluemarlin actually Reagan did raise taxes on several occasions: In 1982, the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act, that rolled back about a third of his ‘81 tax cuts, raised corporate tax rates, and to a lesser extent income tax rates. Raised taxes by almost 1 percent of GDP, which at that time was the largest percentage in peacetime increase ever.
According to Josh Green, writing for Washington Monthly, Reagan’s 1982 tax hike raised $100 billion over three years, which at the time was the biggest tax increase since World War II. He also raised the tax on gasoline that year, as Sen. Simpson noted, and then raised taxes overall again in 1984 — the year he was reelected — by $50 billion over three years, primarily by rewriting the code to close business loopholes. In his second term, Reagan’s historic Tax Reform Act of 1986 increased taxes on corporations by $120 billion over five years — the largest corporate tax increase in history.
Beyond taxation — and judging by what he did, rather than by what he said, as president — Reagan’s standing as an icon of rigid fiscal libertarianism is not the only “damned lie” about his ideology, according to Green:
In 1983, Reagan also signed the Railroad Retirement Revenue Act that raised 1.2 billion. For what’s worth, that same year, Reagan’s approval rating hit bottom — 35 percent — according to Gallup.
Reagan’s profligate ways did not begin when he was president. He raised both spending and taxes during his two terms as governor of California, from 1967 to 1975:
Of course, none of these aforementioned facts can ever counter the propaganda about Reagan that fills the airwaves of Fox News and AM radio or the talking points of right-wing ideologues like Sarah Palin. Facts do not matter to the Republican base, including especially those in the base’s current incarnation as tea baggers.
The Reagan myth is fundamental to the tea baggers’ drive for ideological purity — to their relentless purging of realists, like Reagan, and moderates, like the first Pres. Bush, from the conservative movement.
In the long run, the nation will benefit from the extreme right’s irresistible urge to roust reasonable people from their movement because eventually they’ll shrink it “down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub,” as anti-tax fanatic Grover Norquist might say. This will be a net positive for the country because the United States has historically done well during periods when conservatives are neutered — see World War II, for example, after Republicans were sidelined in disgrace after their fiscal policies had caused the Great Depression, and the 1960s, when the GOP was vanquished after their McCarthyite pogroms in the 1950s had revealed the hollowness of their paranoid core.
In the short term, however, the tea baggers are not done, not hardly. So, for the rest of this election cycle and beyond, the best advice for normal Amercians is “Fasten your seat belts. It’s going to be a bumpy night.”
EwaKane presents the typical argument from the extreme left, huge on name calling, mud throwing and ideology but short on detailed solutions. I suggest you take a lesson from several ancient and enlightened clutters. Don’t waste a mans time criticizing unless you can present him with well thought out solutions.
EwaKane presents the typical argument from the extreme left, huge on name calling, mud throwing and ideology but short on detailed solutions. I suggest you take a lesson from several ancient and enlightened clutters. Don’t waste a mans time criticizing unless you can present him with well thought out solutions.
Blue Marlin, perhaps you could provide us with some data that validates your claim that "the facts are: during Reagan, Clinton and half of Bush’s term, lower taxes worked, the economy grew at a never before seen rate and people across all economic classes prospered."
I thought taxes were raised during Clinton's term. I'd also question whether all economic classes benefited equally. Perhaps that was so early on in Reagan's term, but over time I doubt you could justify that. The "prosperity" of the Bush years (and Clinton and Bush I and Reagan) was largely a credit-bubble fueled spending spree including the government, consumers, and corporations.
gunnessFan, you’re missing the point I was making, so here it is in a nut shell. We’re tired of all your wining, stop bashing people that are out of office or dead and do something productive like offering-up some ideas that just might lead to some real solutions, like getting rid of tax lop holes. Maybe we should talk about a flat tax system again or at the very least a major reform of the tax code.
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